Athena is a hero. Thank you for highlighting her work and her words. This is scandalous. I will find a way to share the findings with my running and tennis friends. They choose to ignore this. How dare they?
One hole in the logic: We're told that sex isn't real and that there are more than two genders, yet a model that is arguably based on either/both binary sex and gender persists. That is, TRAs are not arguing for a change from the boys'/men's - girls'/women's teams dynamic -- why? Well, seems that's because, belying their claims about more than two genders and sex being a spectrum, they need there to be teams of female athletes for the male athletes to beat.
Yes - it still comes down to a binary, and sexist stereotypes about how women or men do or should look and behave. And yes, sometimes it's about defeating women. Other times it seems to be mostly about being publicly affirmed as belonging in the female category. If the sports rules say that you're allowed to compete in the women's category, then you must be "really" a woman after all. Same for women's private spaces. To go there is to insist that society treat you like a woman, with the same (limited!) privileges.
Yes—you're right, it is also about the "validation" of being on the "women's team." Can't get that on an "open team" or being welcomed on the men's team.
Just yesterday a coworker that normally has no interest in sports and I don't think ever golfed was telling me about a trans golfer that is winning in women's golf. Unfortonatly the stereo type is that men that ordinarily don't care about women's sports are the ones complaining about this. It's not fair but I think women are going to have to be the loudest on this.
I only expect it to become bigger as prize money and pro salaries go up for women's sports and certian less democratic countries chase more medals for national glory.
Yes, that golfer is probably Hailey Davidson, who this week failed to qualify for the LPGA tour but will play on another smaller women's tour. 275 female golfers signed a letter of protest and the LPGA is said to be reconsidering whether this is really such a great idea. I welcome male and female voices of protest, information, sanity. Women and girls are getting louder and louder; seems to be coming to a head - but countless world organizations are involved in decision-making, which at the moment must happen on an organization-by-organization basis. A federal law here in the States would also do it.
A federal law on it would bemuch better. You can imagine smaller sports organizations don't have the money and time to get tied up in court over these things. A similar thing happened in women's MX a few years ago and people were worried about what would happen but it turns out she finished af enough down the order that it didn't matter.
I think it's an unfortonate distraction in th epolitical world that gives an uperhand to the MAGA gang while the left has to tip toe around these issues much more.
Please stop referring to people who voted for Trump in a derogatory tone. MAGA gang. Really? I am a human with legitimate political and social concerns. Additionally, I have been ripped apart at the seams as my daughter spirals towards ruination due to gender ideology being shoved into every aspect of culture, education, government and medicine. The fraud perpetrated on her is astounding. Criminal. It is trying to kill her, so please, just stop it.
So sorry about your daughter, Sweet Caroline -- and about your feeling "ripped apart at the seams." Yes, it's coming at us from all angles, and devastating to so many families, and far beyond.
I agree. Democrats need to come to their senses and remember their longstanding support for women's equal rights. Even if a male athlete finishes far from the podium in a female event, he's still taking up space where he does not belong.
My complaint with https://www.hecheated.org is that the numbers you cite are not easy to find there.
On the front page, the only obvious thing to do is to click on the big central "Results" button. Then the reader is asked to "Select a sport".
Come on! Show the big numbers up front, without having to click on anything! I had found this site some time ago, but gave up when I had to "select a sport".
Sorry to rant at someone doing good work, but these results need to be formatted in a way which gives the key info without so much effort on the reader's part.
Yes, I agree, but I feel a need to note that this is not about how successfully men disguise themselves as women. Nor how women actually look, or should look. We can look any way we want, as can men. We just need men to admit that they're men and stay in their own (men's category) lane.
Brava, Athena, whoever you are! “He Cheated” is an invaluable resource. And thanks so much to you, Mariah, for compiling so much important information in this post. I am saving this for reference and use when confronted with the claim “but there are only a few.” (Of course, as we know, a few is still too many. The women’s category is for women.)
Athena is a hero. Thank you for highlighting her work and her words. This is scandalous. I will find a way to share the findings with my running and tennis friends. They choose to ignore this. How dare they?
Yes, HeCheated.org offers a wealth of otherwise unknown information, all due to the volunteer labor of one strong woman.
Update to He Cheated.org info just about 2 months later, thanks to MA4Women: https://substack.com/@ma4women/note/c-84077579?
One hole in the logic: We're told that sex isn't real and that there are more than two genders, yet a model that is arguably based on either/both binary sex and gender persists. That is, TRAs are not arguing for a change from the boys'/men's - girls'/women's teams dynamic -- why? Well, seems that's because, belying their claims about more than two genders and sex being a spectrum, they need there to be teams of female athletes for the male athletes to beat.
Yes - it still comes down to a binary, and sexist stereotypes about how women or men do or should look and behave. And yes, sometimes it's about defeating women. Other times it seems to be mostly about being publicly affirmed as belonging in the female category. If the sports rules say that you're allowed to compete in the women's category, then you must be "really" a woman after all. Same for women's private spaces. To go there is to insist that society treat you like a woman, with the same (limited!) privileges.
Yes—you're right, it is also about the "validation" of being on the "women's team." Can't get that on an "open team" or being welcomed on the men's team.
Exactly. Though I know a few males who dress as women but still use male restrooms and do not compete against women. So it can happen. Stay tuned. :-)
Just yesterday a coworker that normally has no interest in sports and I don't think ever golfed was telling me about a trans golfer that is winning in women's golf. Unfortonatly the stereo type is that men that ordinarily don't care about women's sports are the ones complaining about this. It's not fair but I think women are going to have to be the loudest on this.
I only expect it to become bigger as prize money and pro salaries go up for women's sports and certian less democratic countries chase more medals for national glory.
Yes, that golfer is probably Hailey Davidson, who this week failed to qualify for the LPGA tour but will play on another smaller women's tour. 275 female golfers signed a letter of protest and the LPGA is said to be reconsidering whether this is really such a great idea. I welcome male and female voices of protest, information, sanity. Women and girls are getting louder and louder; seems to be coming to a head - but countless world organizations are involved in decision-making, which at the moment must happen on an organization-by-organization basis. A federal law here in the States would also do it.
A federal law on it would bemuch better. You can imagine smaller sports organizations don't have the money and time to get tied up in court over these things. A similar thing happened in women's MX a few years ago and people were worried about what would happen but it turns out she finished af enough down the order that it didn't matter.
I think it's an unfortonate distraction in th epolitical world that gives an uperhand to the MAGA gang while the left has to tip toe around these issues much more.
Please stop referring to people who voted for Trump in a derogatory tone. MAGA gang. Really? I am a human with legitimate political and social concerns. Additionally, I have been ripped apart at the seams as my daughter spirals towards ruination due to gender ideology being shoved into every aspect of culture, education, government and medicine. The fraud perpetrated on her is astounding. Criminal. It is trying to kill her, so please, just stop it.
So sorry about your daughter, Sweet Caroline -- and about your feeling "ripped apart at the seams." Yes, it's coming at us from all angles, and devastating to so many families, and far beyond.
If MAGA gang has you that bothered that only demonstrates the thin skin of people who identify as MAGA.
Really classy there Chris.
Thanks
I agree. Democrats need to come to their senses and remember their longstanding support for women's equal rights. Even if a male athlete finishes far from the podium in a female event, he's still taking up space where he does not belong.
“But it doesn’t happen often” is even more true of white police gunning down unarmed Black men. Or anyone, for that matter.
That picture just says it all. How can anyone see the picture and still defend men competing in the women's sports?
There is also https://www.shewon.org but that seems less complete.
My complaint with https://www.hecheated.org is that the numbers you cite are not easy to find there.
On the front page, the only obvious thing to do is to click on the big central "Results" button. Then the reader is asked to "Select a sport".
Come on! Show the big numbers up front, without having to click on anything! I had found this site some time ago, but gave up when I had to "select a sport".
Sorry to rant at someone doing good work, but these results need to be formatted in a way which gives the key info without so much effort on the reader's part.
Also you can select “all sports.” Just in case you didn’t notice that.
Yes - She Won is all self-reported by the women, focusing on them, which is good too but different.
“Athena” is open to suggestions. The site is new. Send feedback to her if you want: Info@HeCheated.org.
Valentina Petrillo is a most unconvincing-looking woman. What a creep.
If he wants to call himself a woman, he can go ahead, but he should keep out of women’s sports.
Yes, I agree, but I feel a need to note that this is not about how successfully men disguise themselves as women. Nor how women actually look, or should look. We can look any way we want, as can men. We just need men to admit that they're men and stay in their own (men's category) lane.
Brava, Athena, whoever you are! “He Cheated” is an invaluable resource. And thanks so much to you, Mariah, for compiling so much important information in this post. I am saving this for reference and use when confronted with the claim “but there are only a few.” (Of course, as we know, a few is still too many. The women’s category is for women.)
Ditto re brava to Athena & one is too many. Glad this seems useful. Thanks!