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Crimson's avatar

lol like men brought us trans. Women in general co-signed the acceptance of these porn-addicts as “normal”. This is end-stage feminism, not some patriarchal movement. Women were on board with “trans” until they were rallied by the “blame men” battlecry.

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Crimson's avatar

The worlds of therapists, activists, academics and education as well as lbgtq that foist this on us have a combined total of zero working class straight men in them. Again, this was brought on by women. Talking like straight men pushed “trans” on the world 🙄you need to stop. All roads lead to the dreaded patriarchy!

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

Not straight men -- straight men in drag. Yes, some women support it. But it's a male rights movement, granting men access to spaces that were once reserved for women. And converting men who would have been gay to "straight trans women."

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Crimson's avatar

The percentage of working class straight men that think trans is real must be in single digits.

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Nicki M.'s avatar

Why were some of the points left unanswered? The 40 points were good but left me feeling an unfinished project had been uploaded.

Eg What is a 'woman'?

A: an adult human female.

Reference the very recent UK Supreme Court judgment for a precedent where it was reconfirmed and determined that only biological females are 'Women'.

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

Ok. Just thought some need not be explained.

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Nicki M.'s avatar

Not necessarily explained but consistently 'rebutted' and reality reconfirmed as supreme to gender woo woo..

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

I decided to take you up on your proposal to answer every question -- excluding the last four, which are not questions. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Amy Nesbitt's avatar

Mariah, your brass-tacks style of writing is exactly what I didn’t know I needed. In a world where language is twisted and reality is constantly denied, your clarity helps me organize the mess this movement has made of my thoughts. The gaslighting is real—and relentless. For a long time, I struggled to articulate why I felt something was deeply wrong, but your article gave shape and structure to that unease.

I want to say this plainly: we do not consent. We want our language back—words like “woman,” “female,” “mother.” We want fairness back. And we are not going to be bullied or shamed into silence just because the Democratic Party decided to die on this hill. They’re not winning hearts or minds—they’re digging themselves deeper into a hole with every attempt to silence dissent or pretend this isn’t happening.

Thank you for giving a voice to the voiceless, and for making it a little easier for people like me to push back against the lies with truth, courage, and clarity.

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Andy's avatar

The solution seems obvious: women should not compete in any women’s event that allows men. People claim this would augment the harm, but it wouldn’t last long. Creating positive change often involves sacrifice. If you are participating in such an event, you are legitimizing it.

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

Sounds easy (boycotts) unless you're a girl or woman who has been training for a particular event and is not willing to give up your dreams to make a statement that might or might not be heard. There are several cases of women and girls doing this already - and boycotts can be effective - but please don't blame the victims here by saying they're legitimizing it. Sometimes they don't even know until afterward. The organizers and adults in the room need to shut this down, not put the onus on the athletes. Male athletes are not asked to sacrifice their dreams to protest doping in their sports.

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Andy's avatar

I’d say if they allow men to compete in their events, they have already given up their dreams. There are greater sacrifices than opting out of a chance at a medal. Also, I am not victim-blaming. There’s a difference between legitimizing an offense and being to blame for it.

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Digital Canary 💪💪🇨🇦🇺🇦🗽's avatar

And now Imane Khelif has been banned from women’s boxing until he provides proof that he is female.

We’re waiting …

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-boxing-mandatory-sex-testing-boxers-imane-khelif/

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Chela's avatar

It boggles my mind that trans activists don't realize how utterly reversible #2 ("There aren't very many") is, even if it weren't completely false and misleading. If there aren't very many, then, in their own words, what's the big deal? So a very few trans-identifying boys are excluded from girls' sports and a very few trans-identifying men are excluded from women's sports. If "There aren't very many" works as any kind of argument at all, it certainly works as a rationale for keeping males out of female sports.

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PSW's avatar

If males are in female sports, they are no longer female sports.

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Marcus Williamson's avatar

"There's more difference within populations than between populations" is a fairly common one (eg the difference between the fastest man and the fastest woman is one one second, and the difference between the fastest man and the slowest man is ten seconds, or something like that). I genuinely no idea why it is meant to be a good argument, but it is definitely out there.

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Mike Walker's avatar

Great list. I want the statement and the answer to the statement to be next to each other. I keep forgetting what the statement is so I’m going back and forth. I think I’ll print them both out. Thanks Mariah.

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

Hi MIke, I decided to take you up on your suggestion and reformat the list of "40 Bogus Rationales for Allowing Males into Female Sports" to make it easier to find my replies -- in the version that appears in the #Fast Facts section of Stronger Women, which appears here:

https://strongerwomen.substack.com/p/40-bogus-rationales-for-allowing-1b7?r=1p665w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

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Mike Walker's avatar

Ah that is thoughtful of you Mariah. And that totally works for me now…

I’ll share it in that format. Thank you for your great work and commitment. You’re very much appreciated.

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

You're very welcome. :-)

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

Yeah, I hear ya, Mike. I experimented with that format and somehow ended up with this one. Yours might have worked better. Thanks for the feedback.

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Bea R's avatar

Mariah, justification # 41 could be “but there’s bad behaviour on both sides!” And yet the rape and death threats and placards calling for executions only come from the side with entitled and aggressive men!

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

Good point, Bea. And just another distraction from the problem itself.

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Lola Coco Petrovski's avatar

Another response: from a female Roller Derby player I know who has no problem with men playing in women's teams. She laughed about the Olympic boxing debacle that "she's a boxer and whined that she got punched! What did she expect?"

Thanks for the compilation XX

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Chela's avatar

I got that response from a "progressive" young man who then pointed out that she apologized to Khelif the next day. That she was willing to be the bigger person was, in this young man's eyes, proof that she had been in the wrong all along.

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Lola Coco Petrovski's avatar

Oh yes, "progressive". I read that she was forced to apologise, just like she was forced to go back in the ring after calling time out the first time.

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

Oh yes, roller derby has been nearly taken over by men, as far as I've heard, so maybe she's come to accept that for the women, it's a coed sport.

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Not so young anymore.'s avatar

Let’s just pretend testosterone doesn’t do anything.

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

Ha, right.

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Not so young anymore.'s avatar

Really in my mind this is the biggest most scandalous lie ever.

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Anne Martinez's avatar

HeCheated.org had a breakdown of some of the myths as well: https://web.archive.org/web/20241229092415/https://www.hecheated.org/myths

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Elizabeth Bateman's avatar

After my daughter was sent flying in soccer by a unit of a 17 yr old boy:

‘Your daughter is very small’

Me: that’s why she plays girls soccer. Duh.

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

Oh my. So sorry. They really are disrupting girls's sports experiences everywhere, aren't they! Good answer, tho. Your daughter will notice that you're sticking up for her rights.

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Susan Scheid's avatar

Brilliant. I have never enjoyed reading footnotes so much! I have restacked.

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Donna Druchunas's avatar

Yes the footnotes are awesome!

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Mariah Burton Nelson's avatar

:-)

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